Thursday 17th October 2019

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0915 UPDATE

1/ What the hell happens now? @StevePeers talks through the two most likely options – Johnson secures a WA, with the EU, but requests a short technical extension or he fails & is forced into requesting an extension *anyway* up to the 31st Jan 2020.

https://twitter.com/mpc_1968/status/1184588519295074309


Brexit: a Mad Hatter’s tea party

http://eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87394


EU response to the DUP refusal to accept the draft Brexit agreement as it stands is: this is first and foremost a problem for the UK /1

https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/status/1184715194750164992


 

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/brexit-crisis-new-deal-in-doubt-as-dup-says-no-to-proposals-1.4053682


US Speaker Nancy Pelosi warns UK not to be misled on post-Brexit trade deal

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1184725979245305856


 

 

Good Morning, pots of coffee/tea required.   Lurkers, please click the comments link above and have your say.  It might take a while to get your post approved but nobody will bite you here.  If they do try we ha**er them not you.

https://www.gov.scot/news/preparing-for-no-deal-brexit/


This statement should be our mantra

https://twitter.com/Feroxbill1/status/1184417153199550467


Broadcasting Scotland were in Aberdeen to bring you our SNP 2019 Conference Special Reports in which we speak with delegates about the conference and events in the news. In this programme, we talk to Stewart Hosie MP, Lorena Lopez De Lacalle, President of EFA and Drew Hendry MP.

https://www.broadcastingscotland.scot/snp-2019-conference-special-report-part-1/


Another depressing/alarming meeting with a diff Trade sector – Petroleum. Gasoline that was freely traded to Amsterdam Rotterdam & Antwerp facing a new 4.7% tariff. Denuding viability of current UK refineries over time. I learn more details about Brexit damage almost daily

https://twitter.com/AngusMacNeilSNP/status/1184502395314655233


Is BBC Scotland’s Disclosure team afraid to expose English ‘County Lines’ drug gangs targeting children despite a government report, two warnings from police and one from a youth charity?

https://talkingupscotlandtwo.com/2019/10/16/978/


Brexit affairs committee, Joanna takes on Barclay

https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1184522169923096576


Stephen Barclay, a pointless secretary for a pointless Brexit

http://archive.fo/QlwE1


https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2019/10/16/arguing-from-a-position-of-strength/


This a thousand times   https://twitter.com/PaulWheelhouse/status/1184369358505762816


“No-deal is catastrophic. The deal being proposed is catastrophic. It’s like a choice of being hit by a freight train, or by a bus”

https://twitter.com/Doozy_45/status/1184461630517723136


https://www.euronews.com/2019/10/16/what-possible-brexit-scenarios-could-unfold-before-the-end-of-october


https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/health-and-care/press-release/royal-osteoporosis-society/107302/scotland-becomes-second


If you can bear to watch a man with no morals & no principles, here’s he is

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1184424295327502337


Shame there is no comment space

https://www.centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk/news-and-opinion/deal-or-no-deal-uk-government-needs-new-strategy-union


https://www.politico.eu/article/leo-varadkar-possibility-of-another-eu-summit-on-brexit-this-month/


Tory DWP chief in furious row as she denies cuts are plunging kids into poverty  http://archive.fo/Q8eYc


UK border risks snarl up in no-deal Brexit – audit officehttp://archive.fo/dqc93


https://scramnews.com/mps-will-not-have-say-post-brexit-trade-deals-liz-truss/


https://ansionnachfionn.com/2019/10/15/dup-allegedly-met-with-loyalists-week-before-brexit-terror-threats/


http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2019/10/16/news/dup-defends-arlene-foster-s-astonishing-meetings-with-senior-loyalists-1739844/


https://www.channel4.com/news/new-ira-says-border-infrastructure-would-be-legitimate-target-for-attack


https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/104670/one-in-three-uk-automotive-businesses-cutting-jobs-ahead-of-brexit


https://www.supplychaindive.com/news/uk-preps-brexit-as-deadline-approaches/565086/


So what is the rather important VAT issue as it applies to Brexit & Irish border  https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1184519452609667072


We believe the Government’s proposed Withdrawal Agreement is contrary to section 55 of the Taxation (Cross-border Trade) Act 2018https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1184530270478913538


https://bylinetimes.com/2019/10/16/brexit-chaos-has-cost-uk-science-a-billion-euros-in-funding/


https://www.politico.eu/article/dont-help-boris-johnson-put-lipstick-on-his-brexit-pig/


Sales of whitewash going through the roof

MPs press minister over Jennifer Arcuri investigation 

 http://archive.fo/Mwrw5


 

Meet the top cop who wants to police your pronouns

http://archive.fo/wUhPM


Trump says Johnson asked him to set up meeting with Harry Dunn family

http://archive.fo/ocJJG


 

57 thoughts on “Thursday 17th October 2019

  • 17th October 2019 at 8:47 am
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    Mornin’ Nana

    I see the DUP are making life interesting for Mr Johnson… 🙄 Saturday should open up a whole new can of wossiname. As for CCC link? A new Union strategy??? Seeking Authorisation??? Mmmm…. The author may want to rethink their wording slightly. (shrugs) Or not. I think we’re way past ‘strategies’ by this point and we know precisely what ANY Westminster government’s concept of unity actually means.

    Quite enjoying the lurking on most sites at the moment Nana to be honest. The odd comment on WGD or here is about it around now. As I’ve said before, this is going to follow a process to an inevitable outcome. Friends shouting at one another won’t stop it, and it certainly won’t help the blood pressure.

    Also…. I may need to cut back on the coffee. (sigh)

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    • 17th October 2019 at 8:58 am
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      Morning Macart
      Re the Akash Paun article, usually on the site there is space for comments, perhaps the author was feart of what people might say!

      There could be a fair number of us heading to a health shop looking for an alternative to coffee or more likely something to help lower the BP .

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      • 17th October 2019 at 9:50 am
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        Re: Comments section

        Heh. There are a lot of angry, frightened and/or confused folk out there and the interwebby is one one place where they get to give voice to those feelings.

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    • 17th October 2019 at 10:29 am
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      Morning Alex,
      Goodness that is something I did not expect but knowing Labour that could all change within the next few minutes.

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    • 17th October 2019 at 10:52 am
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      Ping Pong but with more pong!

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  • 17th October 2019 at 10:54 am
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    Foster is like the pantomime dame
    “oh yes I am for a deal”
    “oh no I am not”

    What a carry on

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    • 17th October 2019 at 11:14 am
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      Dear god Nana, will this never end. We have a deal the DUP on Board. 30 seconds later NO we do not agree at all says the DUP. It can fair make your head spin.

      Could be tricky with numbers in the HOC to get this through. From the wee bits that have filtered out, it sounds as if it’s worse than the deal that the Maybot agreed. Bangs head on desk, sigh.

      I’m pleased that I’m not really a drinkers, I reckon that I could be a ragin alcoholic by now.

      Thanks for all the links, you’ve been fair gon yer dinger this morning. Oh by the way, I meant to ask you, have you any word on how Smallaxe is doing,

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      • 17th October 2019 at 11:21 am
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        Morning Marie,
        “fair gon yer dinger” Marie I’m on a spring, tight wired and ready to jump!

        Smallaxe is doing ok, he’s receiving some new treatment at the moment and generally taking things slow. I will tell him you were asking after him.

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        • 17th October 2019 at 11:27 am
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          Thanks Nana, please send Smallaxe and Mrs Smallaxe my best wishes.

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        • 17th October 2019 at 3:57 pm
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          Good to know Nana.

          Same from Mrs M and myself. Wishing Smallaxe all the best.

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          • 17th October 2019 at 4:23 pm
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            I’ll pass your good wishes on.

  • 17th October 2019 at 11:02 am
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    From a quick look about the general consensus seems to be Boris will have a hard time getting this deal through the parly, especially if the DUP are not on board.

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    • 17th October 2019 at 11:10 am
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      Nana I’d agree, chances of getting it accepted in Westminster even with the DUP were not great, without them I’d give it’s chances as being close to zero unless an amendment subjecting this “deal” to a second referendum is also passed. The Lib Dems have already said they’d support a deal if it first goes back to the people for a confirmatory vote. Will it ever end?

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  • 17th October 2019 at 11:44 am
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    Steve Peers says “Some useful initial comments on the revised deal in this thread”

    Reading the deal now. First thing to note: this is not a ‘backstop’ as we understand it. Articles 1(4) and 2 of the previous backstop, which relate to superseding the backstop by subsequent agreement, have gone.
    https://twitter.com/DomWalsh13/status/1184776888704741377

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    • 17th October 2019 at 12:42 pm
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      Head spinning this morning, Nana. Fortunately the Gaels have a word for it: aotromachd, ya bass!

      I expect yon Gruesome Twosome will be cheerleaders for Yoondom in any Indyref2 campaign, given unlimited airtime and dolly questions on BBC.

      Necessary earner for Buffalo Gal now she’s run away from election embarrassment.

      *Chews brick*

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        • 17th October 2019 at 5:35 pm
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          A clever ditty that, hackalumpoff.

          Every time I see Yon Arlene, the phrase “Mrs Doubtfire from Hell” comes into my mind, or what is left of it.

          What an afternoon. More to come tomorrow, no doubt.

          Bloody “interesting times”…..

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  • 17th October 2019 at 2:19 pm
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    Holy shit, just heard Juncker say he would rule out any extension as we have a deal and there is no need for an extension!

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    • 17th October 2019 at 2:30 pm
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      Geez where did you hear him say that? Was he drunk?

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    • 17th October 2019 at 2:36 pm
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      That wasn’t the exact clip I saw, there was another question just after Beth Rigby and he mad it clear he was against an extension. Likely he’d change his tune if parliament throws Johnson’s deal out.

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      • 17th October 2019 at 2:39 pm
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        I would think so, it looks like Johnson was twisting their arms about an extension. Seeing as he doesn’t want one.

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  • 17th October 2019 at 2:34 pm
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    My hearing is not what it used to be Alex! Did he say prolonging rather than extending?

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    • 17th October 2019 at 2:39 pm
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      @Nana

      I agree with what Peston says and doubt MP’s will fall for that.

      “So @JunckerEU at least has done @BorisJohnson a huge favour by saying there will be no more Brexit delays, or what he calls “no prorogation”. Johnson desperate for MPs to believe that if they reject his deal on Saturday, it’s a no deal Brexit. But I am not sure they will buy this”

      https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1184823357231058949

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      • 17th October 2019 at 2:41 pm
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        Blimey it’s a rollercoaster ride. Boris would of course want to make out the EU is against an extension, would he not?

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  • 17th October 2019 at 3:13 pm
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    @Nana

    Here’s a clip to what I saw and came after Beth Rigby, starts about 55 seconds in. He’s asked:

    “Are you going to rule out an extension?” He replies: “That’s what I was saying…”

    “So you’re actually going to say officially that you will rule out an extension (mumble)”

    “Yes! We have a deal so why should we have a prorogation?”

    https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1184827396928741378

    By the way I agree of course with hackalumpoff but Juncker’s view will carry some weight but if Parliament do reject the Johnson deal on Saturday then no matter Juncker’s view I think the EU would be likely to grant one rather than accept a no deal. More smoke and mirrors is all.

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      • 17th October 2019 at 3:42 pm
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        Cheers, sounds right.

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    • 17th October 2019 at 8:27 pm
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      Tusk seems to have contradicted Juncker on the issue of an extension. Also on Ch4 news someone pointing out it is not Junker’s call.

      I have switched off from it for most of the day. All the chopping and changing and contradictions giving me a headache. Now I see that someone has resurrected the ‘do a deal with Tories to get Section 30 agreement’s!!!!!!

      After all the hard work the SG have put in to get us to this point, and they have worked hard even if some people won’t acknowledge it, why would the SG throw it all away by supporting the Tories’ Brexit deal in return for an S30? Anyone suggesting that route is no supporter of independence.

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  • 17th October 2019 at 4:42 pm
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    Quite an eventful day on the Brexit front, I’m looking forward to the Saturday afternoon matinee 🙂

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    • 17th October 2019 at 5:03 pm
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      @ xtc

      Me too. I usally have the weekend off but I’ll be here on saturday for the main event 🙂

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  • 17th October 2019 at 6:52 pm
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    Y’know if recent history has taught the public anything, you’d think it should be that cutting a deal with ANY Conservative government has…. its drawbacks (mainly of the backstabbery variety). Though to be fair, both Labour and the Libdems don’t rate very highly on the trust scale either these days. Should go without saying that how you treat (or treat with) people can have a fairly profound effect on the whole trust issue.

    The political class is apparently dead set on finding out the hard way just what that’s all about.

    Also probably worth remembering that HOW you win/achieve a thing is fairly important.

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    • 17th October 2019 at 7:04 pm
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      @Macart
      “Also probably worth remembering that HOW you win/achieve a thing is fairly important.”

      Aye you are right.

      I wouldn’t trust any one of them, Tory,Labour,Libdem all a pack of lying, backstabbing crooks.
      I doubt there is any trust remaining in Westmonster and daily the ‘scales’ are falling from peoples eyes.

      Also the media has to answer for their part in lying to us.

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      • 17th October 2019 at 9:26 pm
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        Politics is pretty much coming apart at the same pace as society Nana. The collapse of one feeding the fragmentation of the other as it were.

        The relationship has changed and it won’t be put back together any time soon.

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    • 17th October 2019 at 7:13 pm
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      @Macart

      If the SNP were ever to do a deal with the Tories then a very large chunk of their current support would most likely head back to the Labour party where they have originally came from or alternatively switch to the Greens. Nicola Sturgeon would no doubt quickly be crowned with the title Queen of the Tartan Tories.

      There is undoubtedly a battle to be fought before we get a second referendum on Independence that will be recognised internationally without a doubt and that’s what really counts. Very few countries have obtained their Independence in a democratic vote as the “ruling” country is very unlikely to concede anything to those seeking it even when the country seeking Independence has the support of 90% of their population. I’m willing to support Nicola Sturgeon and the path she chooses to deliver that second referendum for the Scottish people.

      We will have our say on any deal that Johnson does or doesn’t get and our voice will be heard.. we do not need an imaginary deal with the Tories to achieve that. I belive we should go for a Section 30 and that it is the right way to go about things. Refusal could play into our hands.

      This academic report is worth having a perusal of and it explains just how unusual the Edinburgh Agreement was and why it basically sets the “gold standard” for future referendums on Independence.

      “The Scottish Independence Referendum in an International Context”

      https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2410255

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      • 17th October 2019 at 9:18 pm
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        Yes. I think they’d lose a good deal of their current support under such a circumstance too.

        Thanks for the link. 🙂

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